Jeanine Boubli, Founder of the Ethical, Animal-Focused Clothing Brand Red Tale Moon On How to Grow Your Business From the Heart

Ethical Fashion with Red Tale Moon Clothing Line Founder, CEO, and Artist, Jeanine Boubli

Jeanine Boubli is a mixed media artist and creator of the ethical and environmentally conscious lifestyle apparel brand Red Tale Moon. She strives to create awareness and respect for all animals, Mother Nature, and soulful connection through her creative work. Red Tale Moon’s designs’ are inspired by animals she know well as a volunteer animal caregiver at a local sanctuary. She loves spending time outdoors, taking long walks by the water, and writing poetry.

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Jeanine Boubli-FULL-1 [00:00:00] Jeanine Boubli: [00:00:00] I will say though, that there, now that you’re here talking about being scared, there is really nothing scary about following your heart. There is something very scary about not following your heart. [00:00:17] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:00:17] Hi, and welcome to the innovative mindset podcast. I’m your host Izolda Trakhtenberg. On the show, you get my conversations with peak performing thought leaders, creatives, and entrepreneurs. We explore how you can innovate through creativity, compassion, and collaboration. I believe that innovation combined with compassion and creative thinking can save the world and I aim to bring you ways. [00:00:40] You can do it too. If you’re enjoying the show, I’d be super grateful. If you could support it by buying me a cup of coffee, you can buy me a cuppa at buymeacoffee.com/izoldat. And now let’s get on with the show. [00:01:01] [00:01:00] Hey there and welcome to the innovative mindset podcast. My name is Izolda Trakhtenberg. I’m so happy that you’re here and I’m honored and happy to have this week’s guests. She’s amazing. You’re going to love her.  Jeanine Boubli is a mixed media artist and creator of the ethical and environmentally conscious lifestyle apparel, brand Red Tale Moon. [00:01:21] So, you know, I love her and you know, you’re going to love her too. She strives to create awareness and respect for all animals, mother nature, and soulful connection through her creative work. Red Tale moon’s designs are inspired by animals. She knows as well. Well, she’s she’s a volunteer animal caregiver at a local sanctuary, but she also uses her heart and her imagination to create these incredible designs. [00:01:45] She loves spending time outdoors, taking long walks by the water and writing poetry. Jeanine, I am so glad that you’re here. I’m honored and thrilled to talk to you about your ethical stance on what you do and the artistic drive that [00:02:00] helps you help the animals of the world. Welcome to the show. [00:02:03] Jeanine Boubli: [00:02:03] Oh, thank you so much. [00:02:04] I’m so happy for this opportunity to share. Thank you so much. I’m [00:02:09] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:02:09] so excited. So I. The thing, look, anybody who knows me for any length of time goes, yes, she’s, she’s an outspoken vegan she’s plant powered, blah, blah, blah. Right. I I’m pretty far out with that. So the question I have for anybody I talk to about, about sort of being ethical, as far as how you interact with the rest of the living world is what, what got you started? [00:02:36] What, what was the turning point where you said I’m going to choose a path like this? [00:02:44] Jeanine Boubli: [00:02:44] Well, I didn’t, I don’t know that I consciously chose it. I feel like it chose itself through, you know, my soul, if you will. I started, you know, I was vegetarian for years and I started volunteering as you [00:03:00] know an animal caregiver at a local sanctuary That happened shortly after too challenging, having two challenging years of my life, my father was sick. [00:03:11] I moved out from the city. I came out to long Island to help him. I didn’t realize how much that affected me. Long-term and so after the house was sold and I was like, okay, you know, where am I going to know? Like, I’m not going back to Manhattan right now. And my life was kind of up rooted in a sense my heart was, and yet. [00:03:33]It provided a, all, it also provided like an open an, Oh, well, an open space, like a big, vast bit of land, you know, and my future, because I didn’t really know which way I was going to go with my future. And what happened was a neighbor where I moved to a neighbor said to me, one day she saw how I was, how I was with her dog. [00:03:53] She said, she need, you love animals so much. You would love this place. And you know, they’ve got a cow and they’ve got [00:04:00] goats and sheep and blah, blah, blah. And I said, Oh, well, I grew up here years ago. I never heard of it. And so the next day I was Googling and I’ve been volunteering there ever since. And so that was, yeah, that, that, that this experience, that’s still part of my life and will always be a part of my life because it’s my heart. [00:04:23]Really. Opened up my heart healed my heart, calmed my mind and inspired me to create or to get just being like you just being with the animals and their environment. I did not want to be with people at that time. No, I’m fine now, you know, but I just needed the quiet and just to be in a, in an environment now, all of the animals are loved. [00:04:45] They’re not, you know, they’re, they’re fortunate, they’re loved and they’re cared for and to be with them and witness their friendship and their wisdom. And when one of them is sick and how, you know, the other ones are there for [00:05:00] them it’s just really, really beautiful. And so that’s what started to inspire me to. [00:05:05] Go ahead and use them as the subject matter for artwork. Because once again, I was kind of reborn, if you will. Instead I, they opened my heart and with my hearts opened, then I wanted to create, again, it could be in creative, it has always been inside me, but there was, I just kind of closed up like a closed fist. [00:05:24] I, you know, just, but then they, they, they, it was them, it was being with them and their love and their sweetness. That opened that part of me up again. [00:05:35] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:05:35] Yeah. Wow. I, you know, it’s so it’s wonderful and it’s inspiring. And I know, I know other people who have that sort of connection and realize it’s worth. [00:05:52] And you took it, you took that connection and you decided to work on behalf of them, these [00:06:00] wonderful critters, these wonderful beings we share the planet with when you started, when you started that, that process of like, okay, I’m good. I’m inspired by this and I’m going to do it right. Can you talk a little bit about what happened inside you that first time you sat down or maybe you weren’t sitting? [00:06:20] I don’t know what your process is the first time you, you went okay. That’s it. I’m going to do this. I’m going to create. Was it a design. Oh, yes. Yeah. So the thing that, and how was your, how was your mind and your heart, where were they when you were doing it? Oh, [00:06:36] Jeanine Boubli: [00:06:36] well this is a, this is a bit of a story, but I’ll tell you. [00:06:41] So I we had an Adobe user group on long island. I was the co co-manager of the group and the manager, Sharon. She said to me, one day I was at her house and I remember exactly where we are now because he brought me back there and. She said, you know, I would love to get our members more involved. Can you think of [00:07:00] anything? [00:07:01] And I wasn’t thinking I was just responding, you know, when things just come out of your mouth and I said, well, we have so many photographers in this group. Why don’t we have them take some pictures? There’s pictures of textures, there’s textures and everything. I said, why don’t we have them take some pictures of textures and then apply those textures to another image and share. [00:07:26] And she said, great idea. Can you come up with something? I said, sure. So lo and behold the next day I, like, I already knew that I w I wanted to use something that was current. I am a creative person. There’s like, there’s many things that they can create, but I wanted to create something from something that was current in my life. [00:07:48] Something that really meant a lot to me. And that’s the animals something from my heart. So I said, okay, I’m going to just, I’ll go look through some pictures, you know, of the kids. And I took a picture of salt. She is a white [00:08:00] sheep. And then, you know, just like what somebody’s cooking and they don’t measure, it was kind of like, you know, somebody’s painting and they’re splattering the paint. [00:08:08] I was taking some other images, like even a blurred image of an image of some branches, if you will. I did not know what I was going to create. I was just gathering material, whatever felt, something, you know, oh, I’ll put this in a layer. Oh, I’ll put this in a layer. And then maybe it must’ve been almost eight or nine hours afterwards, just zoning with Pandora. [00:08:30]I created this. I an art piece with the salts and I shared it with her. She goes, Oh my God, I love this. This is great. Well, what happened was, you know, we had this I couldn’t show the process to the people, the, you know, to our members because it was a creative process. I was zoning, you know, it wasn’t just apply a filter and, Oh, it looks like this, or, Oh no, this was, you know, masking and taking out and putting in and just, you know, create, create, create a bliss if you will. [00:09:00] [00:08:59] And it had, it just, it was like a co-creation and one thing led to another and I was a member of long Island, visual professionals, a lot of creative people and a woman, Linda from like the Huntington arts council came one night and she spoke about having there was an art an art show. They were going to have a juried art show. [00:09:23] And I had not entered a show in a long time. My creativity, like when my father was sick, I wasn’t creative afterwards. I wasn’t creative until I was re awakened. If you will, with the animals love and had my groove back. My mother had passed, you know, years before. So there was another time when I kind of closed up in that way. [00:09:45] And it all, it all goes into the creative, whatever we create though, whatever, even the parts, the times when we close up that’s also in there and that’s important too, that comes, that comes along. So basically she said we are going to have, you know, we [00:10:00] have this this art show coming up and I wanted to share if anybody’s interested, it’s about you know, you can have photographs, but they need to be enhanced digitally or any kind of digital art. [00:10:11] Lola love a lot. And it was like, somebody was tapping me on the thigh. Janine, you’ve got to do your art. You’ve gotta do your art. You’ve got to, you know, you’ve got to do this now. It was talking straight to my, she was like, I felt like she was talking directly to my ears amplified. And so I said to her afterwards, oh, I would really like to, you know, get some more information I’d like to enter the show. [00:10:33] And so she said, great, do you have a business card? Well, lo and behold, I had created a square business card with salts picture that fine art piece from the Adobe user group program, you know, from the program from that project. And she looked at Saul’s picture and she said, oh my God, I love this. This is great. [00:10:51] And you should, you should enter this. Well, I entered salt, salt ended up winning first place. And that was the beginning of [00:11:00] okay. Universe is like, go, go, go, go with, you know, and, and so that took, I mean, I don’t want to. Take too much time talking about it, because then like, there was a series of different things. [00:11:12] Like I created a line of no cards and then one day this woman said, Oh, yes, I love these pictures. They’re nice. And I thought to myself, none. And then, and then they’re no, no, no. These are not pictures. These are living beings. They might be a nice, you know, there might be a nice picture. Okay. Yes. I could say yes to that, but no, there’s so much more to them. [00:11:34] And so one night before I had an opportunity to share a table a local farmer’s market if the war just like worse and kept flying out of my fingers, I said, no, no, no, I’ve got to go ahead and share more. And then I, you know, I cut on, cut up some paper, put them in to sleep so that people would see, okay, this might be a nice picture, you know, and there’s a nice animal Lavella, but there’s so much more. [00:11:58] And then they would turn [00:12:00] over the card and read what I had to share. And I saw it right with my eyes. They resonated, some people resonated more with the words than they did with the animal, which was, you know, a personal connection. So however somebody is going to Feel a personal connection, whether it’s the words or whether it’s the images that’s the, that’s the whole intention, a personal connection makes things more meaningful to us. [00:12:24] So therefore we can share in a different way or maybe, excuse me, change certain choices in our life so that we don’t cause any harm on really, you know, not unknowingly, but we can change, you know we can change and make our world a more compassionate place for all the baby. And there’s one more like I, one more thing along the line of how, you know, there’s like, it’s almost like a spiderweb a divine a divine weaving of interrelated, [00:13:00] synchronistic happenings, or symbols, or meet somebody. [00:13:03]I ended up having some. I didn’t have red tail moon. At this time, I ended up having some of my prints at a local nature preserve. And now there wasn’t a lot of traffic, people were there only on the weekend, sometime a few hours, but it didn’t make a difference. I knew that it was up to, it was my cart. [00:13:24] Like it was up to me to just show up and show, show up and share and however, whatever, if one person sees something and they relate to it and it makes them open up their heart or they enjoy it, or they might see something in a different way, then, then that’s okay. If a million people see it, same thing. [00:13:43] It doesn’t, you know, it’s, it’s about going ahead and put it showing up and putting it out there. And one day the woman said, you know, I need a, I need a bio from you so I can put it with your work. And initially I kind of felt you know, like it’s like like a child or a teenager. Oh, I [00:14:00] don’t want to fill out that form. [00:14:01] Right. I felt that that, that, that conditioned response, like, oh God bio. And then I thought for God’s six Janine, get over yourself. This is your bio. You can write whatever you want. And so I did, and the word started flying out of my hands. Once I gave myself that freedom and that, you know, permission, yes. [00:14:24] Permission and the worst flew out of my hands and instinctively, or maybe it wasn’t extensively. It was like something that was tapping on my shoulder, but it wasn’t a physical tap in my, it intuitively something that peg. Go ahead and put a picture of one of the kids in the bio. So I looked and then I just went ahead and I put, I put on pepper, she’s a black sheep. [00:14:48] She’s very beautiful girl. I put her picture into the bio and then I wrote the bio and then I kept hearing the words over and over again. And I will just read [00:15:00] the very last part of the bio. And then we came like, cause I know I’m talking a lot. This is long, this has been quite a journey. So I didn’t know I was going to have an apparel line. [00:15:14] I just, you know, I didn’t know any of these things. I just knew that I know, I know what I knew more than anything. I knew who I loved and I love, I love the animals and, you know, love is the strongest. So at the very end of the bio, I wrote, this is my, my Pepper’s picture. Be someone who cared. Be someone who shares compassion for all living beings. [00:15:40] If your heart is not open openness, you may be in for a joyous surprise. I am no different than you. I love my friends. I cherish a safe home, a sound, sleep. The music of the birds look at me and then the equal sign on the upper right of the keyboard. I [00:16:00] swear, I swear. I swear was popping out of the keyboard. [00:16:03] Look at me, I’m a of wards, a flying out of my hand, look at me, boom, equal sign, see yourself. And that was it. And then I knew, I CA like I knew that was like everything. And in that little bit, and I said, okay, good. Here’s her bio. And then I kept hearing those words over and over again, and I was sleep. I’d wake up tossing and turning. [00:16:28] Look at me, see yourself. And I go ahead, go for a walk. Look at me, see herself in the shower driving. I was like, okay. I go, I have my hands open. You know, like with somebody very expressive with her talking, I’m like, okay, all right, I got it. I’ll create a product. And that was, that was the beginning of knowing that I needed something that wasn’t just not just, but something additional than a print on a wall that maybe five people will see it, or 50 people were. [00:16:58] I needed something that [00:17:00] was going to be seen so that they were seeing the way I was fortunate to see them and know them. Yeah. [00:17:10] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:17:10] I love that so much. And I love that statement. Look at me, see yourself. So the, I guess the question is, do you have clothing lines with pictures of some of these beautiful. And do you have the quote underneath? [00:17:26] Oh, yes. Yeah. Okay. I need that. I need them [00:17:31] Jeanine Boubli: [00:17:31] pepper. Pepper was my first, you know, and Pepper’s picture. And it says be someone who cares, be someone who shares compassion for all living beings and on the bottom. Look at me, see yourself. And I put my TM symbol there too. [00:17:47] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:17:47] I love it. I love it. That is. [00:17:49] So I’m going to max out my credit card. I can tell. So, so here’s the thing you, you must. You must have [00:18:00] faced challenges and opposition to doing something like this. Right. And so, so I’m wondering if you can talk a little bit about what those challenges were and how you navigated them, because it’s such an important process to go through and your wisdom can really help someone else who’s going. [00:18:19] I want to do this. I want to live a more compassionate life and I want to put my money where my mouth is. Right. But I’m scared. So if you could talk a little bit about the challenges of that and also about your strategy, how you did it. I would love, love, love to hear it. [00:18:35] Jeanine Boubli: [00:18:35] Sure. I don’t know that I had a strategy in my head. [00:18:38]Like I, you know, I got like an outline. I’ll do this and then I’ll do this and I’ll have a business plan. I wasn’t. That’s not really my, you know, my strong point. I will say though, that there, now that you’re here talking about being scared, there is really nothing scared. Scary about following your heart. [00:18:56] There is something very scary about not [00:19:00] following your heart. And if I did not follow my heart and say, like, after save, after my father passed, and then I healed and I started volunteering and I work for XYZ company and from, you know, and I was there from seven in the morning, you know, from commuting or whatever, till if I did not go ahead and honor my art and took and took the safer more supposedly like reliable, dependable income coming in path, I would have lost myself. [00:19:39] Because for years, I’ve always wanted to do something with my creativity. I was always creative. I always believed in it. And I it has not, you know, I, I know, and like, I love my parents and you know, it has nothing to do with anything they did. It’s just I was brought up, you go ahead, get a job. You work up the [00:20:00] corporate, you know, you work up the corporate ladder, you make the money or you make the do whatever. [00:20:04] And then you do what you love when you have time. Or, you know, it’s just they always supported my creativity. They did. It’s just that maybe it wasn’t as safe, you know, and the parent wants a child to be safe, which means pay your rent. Pay and take care of your responsibilities, right. And go on a certain path. [00:20:26] But no, no, no. Sometimes we just all have to follow our own path. And so I would say that the most scary thing is not following something that’s deep inside somebody. I that’s what, that’s, what, like, that’s what really is happening. Like that’s, that’s that it means everything. I will say that you know, resources, obviously finances and things. [00:20:49] It does cost money. It does take time. There’s trial and error. I started off with a print on demand company. And then if the [00:21:00] shirts were not organic cotton and for some reason when somebody said to me, well, if you’re, I’m all a bit kind of like an attitude, well, if you’re all about the environment, what about organic cotton then in and out? [00:21:10] And I said, Well, that’s what I really wanted. And this woman from like SBA, small business administrative administration, she said, well, then why aren’t you doing it? I said, because I can’t find it now. Now it’s a couple of years later it’s more readily available, but still it’s not as available. If somebody wants to do print on demand, which I’m not doing, everything’s custom right now. [00:21:32]It is more, it’s more expensive. And yeah, so there’s like, I, I, I’ve learned a lot of things. I don’t know that I’ve made it easier for myself with some of my choices. I think some of the, like if I, if I had created if I just went ahead and pick the plain cotton shirt and did it the certain way, and didn’t really care about the environment or whatever, or did this or that. [00:21:57]Because, you know, cotton, it’s not that cotton, so [00:22:00] so-so whatever, I’m not saying about cotton, but if I went ahead and maybe did what seemingly was a simpler way, seemingly simpler, I don’t know that it would have really been a mirror of my values at the deepest level. And I was like, you know what, I’m not a kid. [00:22:17] I’ve got to, not even if I was young though I wanted to stay true to myself and true to the product because it’s more than a product. It’s a hard, it’s hard first, a product second. [00:22:31] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:22:31] And you know, what’s interesting talking to you about what you just said is that it’s evident in talking with you for even just a few minutes. [00:22:39]It’s evident, it’s evident that you put your heart first into your product. And I think, I think, you know, this is going to sound kind of Calculating. And that’s not really what I mean, but I think people resonate with that and the people who need to be your customers will find you because they’re looking for the same thing, you know, they’re looking for that same [00:23:00] thing. [00:23:00] And so the question then becomes for me, how do you get the word out? I mean, yes, you’re on this podcast and I’m glad to get the word out too, to the people who are listening, but how do you get the word out that you have a heart-centered business that is all about, you know, supporting and being kind and compassionate to the beings who share the planet with, to, to the other animals on the planet? [00:23:23] What. What do you do? And, and how does it work for you? Well, [00:23:28] Jeanine Boubli: [00:23:28] I honestly don’t know. I need to do more. I do, I do need to do more. We were because it’s not a cop out because of COVID, but you know, it was always nice to maybe be involved with pop-ups. We were involved in a couple of pop-ups this way I could speak directly to the people whoever was coming by and share some of the story. [00:23:50] And or even like, just to witness people’s reactions and hear what they had to say and hear their experiences with different either [00:24:00] animals or life or what they resonated with and have them share. I do miss that we were in three fashion shows. We were at a vegan fashion show. And yeah, I can remember driving to Atlantic city and it was like such an exciting thing because it was my first fashion show. [00:24:20] And I had my flip flops on my hair was like a mess. And, but I had the, I had the products and it ended up, I ended up having no children models, you know, male models and, you know, women models. And it was just such a wonderful opportunity. And I, I remember that at the end of like all the different designers clothing, when they were presenting them, the The founders or whoever created the clothing like me and the other people, the other people in, I, they needed to go, you know, behind the models, you know, and everybody walks down like this little runway and they, they clap their hands and whatever. [00:24:59] And I [00:25:00] still have my flip flops, [00:25:06] like five in the morning at four in the morning, but I didn’t care because you know, when you’re following your heart, it’s like, all right, this is an opportunity. All systems go, who chairs, you know, there’s no time to care about that. You just want to make sure that, you know, the kids are, are, they, they liked their shirt, like, like it fits right. [00:25:23] And they understand, they understand who they’re representing. It’s not just a shirt. It’s, it’s a, it’s a heart and a soul. And they know about the animals beforehand and they understand the words behind them. If they’re wearing something with words. So the fashion show, and then so, and then there was one at national geographic, so I’m just. [00:25:42] In off to the side for a second, because that was a good opportunity to, to get in front of people. It was a sustainable fashion show at national geographic and yeah, in DC, no, no. In Manhattan times square, right in times square, that was a big deal. And very exciting. [00:26:00] And cat who put it together an amazing woman. [00:26:03] And she actually gave me one child model that I didn’t know, I was going to be able to have a child wouldn’t, you know, as a universe would have it. I had a perfect shirt, actually. He wore assault shirt the fine art piece of salt in his thighs at home. So I could bring it to the fashion show. Like the next day it was just the way everything worked. [00:26:22] And that was a wonderful opportunity to get in front of people who might not all be for the, you know, who, who, who. That that might not love animals or might love animals, but not, yeah, I love all animals or maybe they love all animals and they have never known as she personally, or a rooster or a goat, you know? [00:26:45] And there was this big, huge wall and the pictures of the kids were blown up on this wall. So there was no way that somebody couldn’t see them and then, you know, the models, you know, they, they were great. They were amazing. So, so that [00:27:00] was a way of bringing them their message and red tail moon in front of people that might not have been searching for it Googling online. [00:27:12] You know? So that was a, that was a, that was a great opportunity. And also it was a sustainable fashion show. And what we brought to that I believe is the concept of ethical treatment of all animals into the sustainable conversation. Talk about that after, but that was very, very important because I that’s, that’s, that’s not always the case. [00:27:33] There’s a little bit of a disconnect there or oversight. And I know that well we both know that I’ve got to now like reach out to press and do those pitches and get it going and get it out there because it’s not going to happen if I don’t start knocking on more doors, you know, and it’s getting, I, you know, getting to that point, I have met people through you know, some great conversations on [00:28:00] clubhouse and connecting with some people that I’ve wanted to connect with and that well know or now know what I’m about and what red tail moon’s about. [00:28:11] Where if I didn’t go ahead and knock on the door, open the door. Or open my ears or speak up in these conversations. They, you know, how are they going to know? [00:28:23] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:28:23] Sure. And that that’s the thing is then you meet people who can elevate what you’re saying and get it out to a bigger audience, which [00:28:33] Jeanine Boubli: [00:28:33] it is, it has for sure. [00:28:36] Yeah. Aberrations. I would, I there is a woman who’s going to write about ethical, I mean, ethical, she’s going to write about, she has she creates vegan handbags and Rachel, moon’s going to be one of her ethical crushes that she writes about. So yeah. So that’s nice and more of that. And I would love to connect collaborate with a large company. [00:28:59]I believe [00:29:00] what a red tin moon’s all about and the quality of the designs and. That everything about it is worthy of that. And I think that a company whose heart isn’t in the same place will appreciate that. But I do think it has to be all about heart a connection of heart, because those are the strongest connections. [00:29:20] No, [00:29:21] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:29:21] for sure. And you know, I feel like Stella McCartney, if you’re listening, you should. Yeah. [00:29:27] Jeanine Boubli: [00:29:27] Yeah. Call me, here’s my number. [00:29:33] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:29:33] So something about the big disconnect, and this is sort of the sustainable conversation with respect to how we, how we treat the animals we share the planet with I’m. Can you, can you talk a little bit about, more about what that means and, and what the importance of it is as far as bringing ethical treatment of all animals to the discussion. [00:29:58] Jeanine Boubli: [00:29:58] Right. It’s very, very [00:30:00] important. I just recently, you know, Hermes they, they now they just, they started advertising about launching a new line of bags of you know, created from mushrooms. Right. And so this was, I saw, I saw this on LinkedIn. I already heard about it and I had to speak up because, okay, it’s great. [00:30:23] If somebody is trying new things and it’s better for the environment, that’s great. At the same time. At the same time, there are crocodile farms, thousands and thousands, and thousands of crocodiles being bred. In these swampy looking pools or whatever. The, I, you know, I don’t want to be pointing my finger at anybody. [00:30:44] This is just, this is the truth. This is the truth. I’m not making this up. And nobody brought this up in this one discussion. I said, well, this might be great, but at the same time, what about all of the crocodiles? And then they’re going to be like skinned [00:31:00] and to be somebody who’s back. So does this mean that this company is going it’s cha has a change of heart? [00:31:07] So which I don’t want to speak for somebody because I’m not that company. So, you know people can make their own judgments and I don’t want to be judging anybody just, but at the same time, no judgment and speak up for those that can’t speak up for themselves. So I needed to speak up for the crocodiles. [00:31:26] And so the disconnect like, you know, there’s. You know, people, not people, but this sustainable conversation, I initially thought, okay, sustainable people care about the environment and they’re talking about the ocean, but they’re talking and they’re talking about, you know, plastic and garbage and wait a minute, wait a minute. [00:31:49] What about the fish? What about the Marine? You know, the wildlife in the sea. What about what about the sheep and the goats and the hens and [00:32:00] the roosters and you know, like, and the ducks and the pigs, like what, doesn’t somebody, you know, like who I know people do care. Why is that not being brought up in the discussion? [00:32:11] And the thing is what sustainable people are concerned about the environment and global warming. And the truth is animal agriculture is. Horrible for the environment. It’s not even a little bit. It is extremely hard. Horrible. There’s excessive CO2 production methane. Let’s see. Yeah. I have some notes here just to make sure that I pronounce everything correctly. [00:32:37] Methane nitrous, oxide production. There is top soil, you know, like the soil, they, they feed well, there’s also like deforestation there’s the water supply. There’s the tanneries like if you know, the, the Tanner is once somebody has like weather light, leather cows, [00:33:00] a cow skin there’s chemicals in that they, they feed that the innocent animals, they feed them all kinds of chemicals and hormones to fatten them up, to keep them healthy until they. [00:33:14] They killed them. They kill them so they can become somebodies meal. And then that’s, I mean, and that’s the end of that. So I don’t know if I went off on a tangent. They’re like there we’ve been brought up. I mean, I did not know certain things growing up as a child. I did not know. I mean, I became vegetarian pretty much during college. [00:33:34] Well, I gave, I gave, I didn’t give up. I gave for E a T horrible word. But I’m not, I’m not, I’m not eating, I’m not eating that anymore. I, I wasn’t, I wasn’t vegan then, but I just, something was wrong. I just like, I didn’t want any part of it. And I we’ve been brought up. We’ve all been brought up with advertising. [00:33:57]The, like [00:34:00] the cows. I mean, how many, how many people growing up or kids grow up thinking, oh the cows, the cows milk is for its baby. I don’t think a child thinks that. I know, I didn’t think that I just thought that ignorance or not knowing as a child, a cow produces milk growing up, you know, the, those parameds you know, make sure you have your milk, make sure you have your protein, the meat, the meat that, this, and the, that I could say, if they knew better, who created that shame on them, shame on them because that pyramid didn’t help anybody at all. [00:34:35] It didn’t help the animals. It didn’t help the environment and it didn’t help people’s health, if anything, it harmed every, all of them. So now that we know better, we can make better choices. So with a sustainable conversation whether it was at like the fashion show or a group that I was part of there sometimes there were people that just didn’t want to hear it. [00:34:58] They didn’t, or, [00:35:00] or, and some people didn’t care and some people here, but they weren’t going to change for whatever reason. I’m not here to go ahead and tell somebody you’ve got to do this, or you got to do that. I’m all about Nope. Live your life. Freedom for everybody. And that includes also freedom for the animals. [00:35:19] And it means freedom, like cruelty free don’t cause any harm to anybody it’s like it’s, it’s causing harm to them. It’s actually causing harm back to the people because of you know, the environment and it just, it’s not healthy. It’s not healthy for them. And yeah, I could go on and on and on. I don’t know. [00:35:39] Did I go off on a tangent? [00:35:42] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:35:42] I know you didn’t go off on a tangent. I think, I think that it’s such a huge topic and obviously one that you’re so passionate about and one that I’m passionate about too, that, that there’s so much to cover in a question like that, that it’s not a tangent. It’s more like, and then I can plumb a deeper depth and go [00:36:00] even further and talking about this is. [00:36:03] It sometimes feels to me like, like you’re screaming into a void because so many times I’ve had a similar conversation with someone who tells me, well, we have canine teeth, therefore we must, you know, and I’m like, you know what, quite frankly, those canines, you know, Silverback, gorillas have much bigger canines than be doing that. [00:36:27] So, no, that’s not a valid argument, but, but at the same time, there is, there is this feeling that I get, that there is a machine, a marketing machine. And, and I’m sorry if you’re a marketer and you’re listening to this, I have nothing against marketers, but I feel like some of the really big companies have marketing machines behind them that make things that they put things out that make you think like doing what they say. [00:36:56] Yes. The only way, you know, and so, [00:37:00] so that’s why, when I’m asking you these questions about Redtail moon, I’m talking about, I’m talking to an entrepreneur, a business owner who has chosen consciously to do something differently. And so then I start to wonder, how do you, how does any small business owner go up against such a, such a, a behemoth of, of marketing as, as something like animal agriculture or, or, you know, and we even saying that, honestly, shouldn’t eat like saying animal, the slaughter of animals for human consumption, you know? [00:37:39] So, so, so, so. So when we look at that, how, you know, how do you do that? What is your process? I’m probably gonna, I have to be very honest. I’m probably gonna lose a ton of listeners with this episode, but I think it’s so incredible. [00:37:52] Jeanine Boubli: [00:37:52] Not, I hope, I hope not. I hope if anything, you get more listeners, because I hope that whoever might not want to hear [00:38:00] what we’re sharing right now, maybe just some maybe because it’s shared from our hearts and not to go there’s no, it’s not intentionally pointing fingers at anybody. [00:38:15] It’s an awareness. It’s an appreciation. It’s coming from a bigger space than you or from me. It’s coming from a bigger space is coming from what needs to be said, what needs to be shared. And it’s the people that are not aware yet or who don’t care yet, which I I’m listening to. I’m hearing myself now, which is like that. [00:38:42] Perhaps we’ll benefit even more from, you know, the, their, their, their lives will expand. Their heart might expand there. They may have more, they’ll have better health. I mean, unless they eat all those yummy, delicious vegan treats and that’s, you know, cause there’s so many options, [00:39:00] but , it’s, you know, even on like the energy level, M O God, to think to, to think that I ever wanted. [00:39:11] It’s just like, it’s, it’s horrifying. If I think that, I mean, as a child and not knowing there was the disconnect and just nothing looks like what it is and the supermarkets, it’s all like, It’s all like a lie, you know, say it’s a cow or say, this is a, you know, just see the eyeballs here are the screams. [00:39:34] That’s every, every single living being you and I, and everybody listening, we all want, it’s like this, we all want a safe home. Right. We that’s something else. I didn’t share this. I don’t know why it kind of came up now, but it came up. They all want to say Paul, they’re all like, I mean, it’s more comfortable to be a peace, right. [00:39:53] Then, then anxiety around or intense things going on. We all like to be with our friends, you [00:40:00] know, real friends, somebody who gets us at a deeper level to share, or just even like, just, just enjoy a breeze on a warm day. Like I’ve seen the headlines, you know, their friends and it, little warm Breeza, that’s it. [00:40:11] That’s all they need. How beautiful is that? It’s they’re no different. They are no different than us. They are no different, they look different. I think some of them are probably cuter than us definitely care. And I may, you know, I mean, if I was called a, you know, like I brought this up the other day with somebody, even the English language, like, you know, the, the how, okay. [00:40:30] So we’re talking about the big companies and advertising and things and marketing. So, I mean, maybe it’s not just the English language language and the terms use including animals. Oh, it’s a pick style or Ooh, you kill, or, you know, don’t be chicken, like, excuse me. But I don’t really like, because I don’t like that C word either. [00:40:54] I like hens and roosters because I associate C with the store, you know, people eat [00:41:00] back. But the thing is if somebody called me a C, H I C K E N, or a hen or a rooster or a pig, I would be honored. Because there’s no more like, genuine than that, you know? [00:41:13] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:41:13] For sure for sure. I actually have taken, I have a huge list that I’ve been keeping for years now of animal metaphors that I’ve turned into vegan metaphors. [00:41:26] So, so, well, the, the, I don’t have a dog in this fight has become, I don’t have a pie in this contest. So things like that I’ve gone through and I’ve, I’ve done so many of those. Let’s see killing two birds with one stone has become petting two cats with one hand. [00:41:49] Jeanine Boubli: [00:41:49] So I have this huge list [00:41:51] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:41:51] because it is, it is about awareness, I think. [00:41:54] And that’s something that I’d love to talk with you about is this notion of increasing awareness, because with [00:42:00] these sayings, you know, when I say, when I say to someone, well, I don’t have a chili in this cook-off and I go, wait, what? And I’m like, yeah, I don’t like to say, I don’t have a horse in this race. [00:42:09] I say, I don’t have a chili in this cook-off or I don’t have a PI in this contest. And so people go, that’s really odd. Why do you do that? And then I explain and they go, I never. Thought of that. And you know, the horrible one for me is more than one way to skin. A cat has become, there’s more than one way to eat a potato. [00:42:29] And I love the, so that’s what I’ve done. And so the question is for me to you is raising awareness. What do we need to do, do you think, because I do, I’m a, I’m a communicator first. And so for me, it’s language in one way or another. And so I decided to do these vegan metaphors instead of using the animal cruelty ones. [00:42:52] And so, so what is, what do we do? What does someone who is who’s a creative in this way that you are, what do [00:43:00] you do? How do you have those conversations? Is it that you let them see the art and then talk about it? Or is it. Is it a push from you? Like, okay. I guess the question I’m asking is, is it more of a push out to people or is it more of a pull in for them to get curious and then come to you? [00:43:17] How do you do it? How do you have those conversations? I think [00:43:19] Jeanine Boubli: [00:43:19] it’s both because I, sometimes that conversation happens even if say I’m in the grocery store and I’m not wearing a red tail moon shirt, or I’m not at a place speaking it out, red tail moon. Somebody might be at the, you know, they’re at the checkout and you know, they’re smiling, you know, some people, most people smile at each other. [00:43:40] Well, now we have, you know, masks on. So you can’t tell they’re smiling, but you can tell a little bit from somebody’s eyes and you know not that I want to have this reaction, but it’s very difficult being in supermarket. Sometimes I consciously avoid certain miles should go ahead and, you know, somebody. [00:43:56]Yeah. You know, like at the checkout somebody said sadness [00:44:00] to some, to me. Oh, I am, you know, I’m smiling under this mask. And I say, Oh yeah, great. You know, hope you’re having a nice day. And if I happen to see a piece of my friend’s body it’s not funny at all. It’s kind of horrified in their card automatically. [00:44:15] And it’s unconscious. I’m sure that I’ve got this, not wanting to offend them, but it offends me, but I don’t want somebody else’s actions to offend me, but it does. It’s, you know, it’s like somebody’s child, you know, if they, if, if there was somebody’s child in there, they would, they would understand. And then they might say, because I wasn’t happy. [00:44:38] And only a couple of times Oh, is there something the matter? And I said, well, I have to him, you know, I happen to love all animals and take this from heart. That’s like, That’s my, that’s my part of my friends, Bobby in there. And so you know, I hope you enjoy your day. I mean, what am I going to say? [00:44:57] But with the shirts, you know there’s a strong [00:45:00] message in there. The reason I did not consciously say, oh, I’m going to, well, pepper was the first, you know, and she had a message of compassion and then I wanted more messages of compassionate. But I also used salts our piece from that was from the beginning, right from, you know, what the adult the Adobe user growth and that it kind of came together. [00:45:23] It didn’t consciously come together. It came together and it’s like, it has a life of its own if you will. And I saw that I had messages of compassion and people could connect with the animals by reading a message of compassion. They don’t mind the messages, don’t say You’re a horrible person because you’re eating my friend. [00:45:42] I got not going to do that. Who am I to judge? I I’m in a, who am I? I mean, I’m not missing whatever. I’m human too. And I didn’t know any better before. Cause I think if I did, I think I would have changed. I would hope I would have changed, you know, and then fine art pieces, artsy pieces that [00:46:00] somebody might resonate with because it’s artistic looking and it’s pretty and there’s underlying intention of connecting with each animal through an art piece as well. [00:46:13] And then there’s the messages, you know, there’s original poetry. And then there’s you know, the bold text text is a bold statement, like the ethic L that’s also, you know, text as a bold statement. So there’s different ways through this. Different designs of connecting with different a different audience, if you will. [00:46:32] That, that’s what I hope. That’s what I hope. You know, so yeah, so other ways I know that, but when I’m at, at, when I’m at the forum where I volunteer, which is a sanctuary now it was a dairy barn years ago. When people come and visit sometimes, you know, they, they might see, you know, they might come a few times. [00:46:53] They might come more than a few times. It might be their first time. So if I’m there and I’m able to, I like to share a little bit [00:47:00] about the animal’s personality. Definitely, definitely, definitely get, have them get eye level, like we have this amazing Turkey Liberty while we all the, all of the turkeys are amazing. [00:47:09] And this little girl was visiting with her parents and I said, oh, come over here. You know, you can, you know, I’ll have you meet, you know, Liberty and. So the little girl, like she stabbed me in there, but you know, Liberty of course is a little bit shorter than a little girl. And I said, you know, and I was already crouched down. [00:47:26] I said, you know what, why don’t you all crouch down? So we’re all at the same level. And then you can look right into her eyes. And then a little girl started going. [00:47:40] I said, you love her, don’t you? She goes, yeah, I don’t know how happy her parents were if they were going to have whatever for dinner or whatever, but you know what she connected. And so, I mean, in other places, you know what I feel like it’s, I think like for you too, it’s where everywhere we go, you know, [00:48:00] [00:48:00] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:48:00] it’s an opportunity for sure. [00:48:02] I think, and yet the thing is for me, like I, until I, until I became a vegetarian and I will save that story for another day, I think I’ve done a podcast episode about it. I. Excuse me. I had a lot of animals. I have to admit that. Yeah. And, and I, and you know what, I can feel bad about it for only so long because I think feeling bad about it for me anyway, is a, it’s a waste of energy because I did it, I accept it and now I can do better. [00:48:34] And I think that’s a lot of what this is for me, you know, except that you are capable of what you did resolve to do better and then act on that resolution. So when you do that, when you, when you yourself resolve to do better, whatever that means for you, what forms does it take in your daily life? [00:48:56] Jeanine Boubli: [00:48:56] When I resolve to do better by me. [00:48:59] Well, just like [00:49:00] what you said, you know, not to, to not rehash certain things, ’cause it doesn’t, it doesn’t change anything because our paths, I mean, I eat animals as a child and as a teenager I wish I did it. I really do wish I did it. But I did and I wasn’t as conscious of certain things. But then I became, and then I changed. [00:49:20]The past is really over for, I mean, yesterday and any day before those days are they could be great memories or not great memories and they’re not our today except for what we choose to bring with us. So I can catch myself in certain thoughts sometimes. Or, oh, you know, maybe I should’ve done this or I could’ve done this. [00:49:42] Or even with red tail moments, like, oh, I spend most of my resources, like, excuse my language, but. Can we, can I curse on here? I was like, fuck, [00:49:55] you don’t because I’ve had symbols from the universe, if you will. And I’ve [00:50:00] had amazing magical things happen in my life. And I’ve also put myself kind of into a bit of a challenging temporary predicament, if you will, at times too. So what I would say that what do we do? I go back to my reason. [00:50:24] Why does that, does that make sense? [00:50:28] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:50:28] Absolutely. I mean, if that’s your answer. Yes. [00:50:32] Jeanine Boubli: [00:50:32] Yeah, yeah. It’s [00:50:33] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:50:33] I think that’s a great answer. I think going back to basics, what, why am I doing what I’m doing? What is, what are the reasons I’m doing it? Yeah, that makes so much sense to me on some very deep levels, because I think that’s sort of introspection when you face yourself. [00:50:49] With honesty and heart, you can’t lie to yourself, you know, and we’re really good at diluting ourselves. So as, as, as a [00:50:57] Jeanine Boubli: [00:50:57] species, yeah, I [00:50:58] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:50:58] could be good at that. [00:51:00] Yeah. Everybody can. I don’t think there’s anybody who has not lied to themselves every once in a while, but in your heart of hearts, you know, the truth. [00:51:06] So you can lie to yourself only so long before you have to pay the Piper and the Piper’s you. So at some point you kind of go, well, I’m going to have to face this, whatever this is, and we all have a different path there to that, to that point. You know? So, so the question that I have, you, you mentioned ethic Al for a little bit ago, and I would love it. [00:51:27] If you would talk a little bit about that, because the, the photograph that we took together, I take a little screenshots so that people can see what’s going to be on the show coming up. So it’s going to go up a little bit later today. Yeah. It’s so exciting. It’s so I love, I love having those little pictures that say, look what is going to be on the show. [00:51:44] Yay. So talk to me and you’re wearing an ethic Al. Shirt and I’d love it. If you could talk a little bit about what that is and, and what, what inspired you, what was the, what was the moment in the creative spark that got you there? [00:51:58] Jeanine Boubli: [00:51:58] Oh, sure, sure. So I [00:52:00] was sitting in this big chair that I’ve got and I you know, I’ve been frustrated or challenged with acceptance with that disconnect of ethical treatment of all animals being included in this, in quotes, sustainable conversation, why it’s been either disconnected or overlooked? [00:52:19] I think like an oversight. I think it might be uncomfortable. People don’t want to bring it up. They don’t want to stir up whatever it is and yet. It’s important for every reason for me animals first. So I was sitting on the chair and I, I happened to, I was just, you know, chilling a bit and I was like ethical, ethical, ethical, ethical ethics. [00:52:44] Oh, ah, I saw it. I saw it as old as I saw it. I saw design my eyes were closed and I saw it in my eye through my eyes. I saw this design ethic. Oh. So I went straight over [00:53:00] to my computer and open up illustrator and I typed up exactly what I saw with the bold font and the scripty part and the accent mark on the L and the last Ian, I know that’s not the correct. [00:53:17] Accent mark in French. And I’m okay with that. It’s artistic license. That’s what I saw. That’s what came to me. And it was so strong. It was like, look at me, see herself. When I knew there was something there I’m like, that’s it that says everything with epic elk came to me. I was like, that’s it? And it’s something that I know just to be out there more. [00:53:38] And so it says the design ethic, L a strong and confident woman who is compassionate. Heart includes love. Wait, I’m sorry. Love and respect for all animals and mother nature [00:53:56] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:53:56] so much. I need that shirt. I’m again, I’m going to max out my [00:54:00] credit card. I think that’s so that’s right. That’s at the heart of what I believe. [00:54:05] So you’re speaking directly to my heart when you, when you read that, you know what I really want to honor for a second here. And I think it’s so important to do this is that you listen to your inspirations that you went, oh, I see it. I know it. And you didn’t go, ah, Nan, nevermind. Or, oh, it won’t be any good or, oh, I’m going to discount it or, oh, I have to go wash the dishes you stopped and you went, let me put this down so that I have it so that I honor that creative spark when it comes. [00:54:37] And I’m wondering, do you have just do, is it just who you are that that happens or do you have any sort of. PR creative practice or any sort of, I’m going to build an awareness for this so that I can grab it when it comes. What, what is your [00:54:52] Jeanine Boubli: [00:54:52] process there? I would say that creativity like that comes when it wills, you know? [00:54:58]But I feel like it’s like a [00:55:00] spiritual, spiritual connect. It’s like a connection with something much greater than me. And I do have a spiritual practice. I’ve always been on spiritual in the sense that organized religion was never, never did it for me, but if I was out in nature, That did it for me or being creative that did it for me. [00:55:19]A universal truth that did it for me, something that was all inclusive. And so I, I, you know, I journal most mornings. I, I journal, I think you mentioned Julia camera and once that the artist’s way. So I had many, many books and books and journals and things, and I remember even once moving from New Jersey back into Manhattan and having like all of these journals and my closet, and I said, oh, I looked at them and I said, oh, you know what? [00:55:48] You need to go because I’ve lived you and it’s okay to release you. So as far as the spiritual practice, I’ve also recently, this is after all of these [00:56:00] creations, but I have very happily Notice more synchronicity in my life this past month I started meditating again. I love there’s a insight timer or an app [00:56:11] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:56:11] that happens. [00:56:12] Jeanine Boubli: [00:56:12] I love it. Right. It’s great. And they have, you know, you don’t, you can pay for it or if there’s a million meditations that are, you don’t have to pay for. And it’s great. There’s a great variety. And yeah, so I really love that. So I’ve been doing that. So I meditate now. I, it doesn’t have to be hours and hours and hours a bit in the morning before I get out of bed, I go ahead, make my tea. [00:56:36] I journal. And the evening before I go to sleep, just recently, like in the last week I started listening, listening to something. Before I go to sleep, I’m always like asleep before it’s there. Yeah. And I also have to bet and singing bowls. Are they the best? [00:56:51] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:56:51] Yes. Yes. I had a whole set at one point. I love them. [00:56:55] Jeanine Boubli: [00:56:55] Wow. Yes. And the vibrations from the singing bowls is as if [00:57:00] the ocean is, it’s like an ocean, like ocean, I, I feel like it’s an ocean kind of a roar, but it, doesn’t not, it’s this bike back and forth and who like, sounds much better than that. And I can tell him, like I know, but sound like, but it’s a very, very powerful, energetic vibe that yeah, that, that also that whenever, you know, I bring that into my life that also increased, it increases the creativity things that come to me visually word wise just feel connected and more at keys, if you will not scattered or. [00:57:41] The locks I feel open. Open. Yeah. [00:57:45] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [00:57:45] Yeah. I love, I love that notion of being, being mindful and letting the creativity flow from that space. I I’ve gotten increasingly [00:58:00] fascinated by the space between when an idea strikes and when you put words to it, you know, in that, in that instant, you can discount a completely or you can go, no, no, I’m going to stay open to this and see what happens. [00:58:12] And it sounds to me like you have, like, you have embraced that aspect of you and I have an entire framework that I talk about with my coaching clients, about how we can be agile, innovative, and mindful. And that is what leads to gratitude. And that is what leads to inspiration. And that is what leads to happiness and increased health, all sorts of things. [00:58:34] And so, so when you do that, when you’re in that, and when you’re in that head and heart space, Of creating. This is a strange little question. Do you lose time? [00:58:43] Jeanine Boubli: [00:58:43] Yes. There’s no sense of, there is no sense of time at all. I mean, there’s hours can go by. I mean, it can anything, there’s only a few times, a few cases when that happens a lot to lose [00:59:00] sense of time. [00:59:00] It’s being with the animals, it’s being in a nature and it’s when something creative bursts itself through us. Right. It’s like it has a life of its own. And also everything’s okay. It’s everything is okay. It’s not, oh, I’ve got to do this. Or, oh, shoot, how am I going to do that? Or it’s like, it’s, it’s a knowing. [00:59:28] It’s a deep knowing that no matter why everything’s okay. Keep on going. It’s not about what comes back from the outside. Just keep on going and trust. Because there is a journey that all of us, you know, we all have our own unique journeys. We might all feel love and happiness or sadness and all different things, but we do all have our own unique journey and it’s up to us to honor. [00:59:56] What’s deep inside of us, no matter [01:00:00] what everybody has something to share that. It’s not only valuable to them, but that can actually also help others, [01:00:08] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:00:08] you know? Absolutely. And I feel like what you just said, really doves dovetails beautifully into, and there’s an animal metaphor. I have to think of a different one now because because every time I noticed myself saying them, I go, Oh, that’s another one you have to change. [01:00:23] So so the, the, the thing about that is that it does, it’s it, it’s going to coincide some with this notion of allowing yourself to. Be conscious about the contributions that you make. Right? So, so on some level, yes, we all have our own journey, but I think one of the signs of knowing yourself is also knowing, choosing how you will participate in, in this life. [01:00:56] Yes. So, so there there’s something so powerful there to me [01:01:00] with what you just said about that, because, because it really does relate very well to being a conscious participant in your life rather than. Almost in a bystander or, or an observer. Hold on one second. Oh God, I’m gonna have to quiet myself down here. [01:01:19] Cause I’m coughing maniac here. [01:01:23] Jeanine Boubli: [01:01:23] Maybe get some water. [01:01:25] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:01:25] Oh, I’m drinking water. But sometimes when, I don’t know if this happens to you, but sometimes when I get really passionate about what I’m saying, [01:01:34] so, and I’m very, very passionate about this subject. I think, I think the notion of living. It’s weird to say cruelty-free because, because we, we don’t, I don’t think anybody wants to go or, or maybe, maybe there are some people who do, but I think a lot of us, most of us don’t want to think of ourselves as being cruel. [01:01:53] And yet there, there are times that we have to face some pretty hard truths about who we are, and that’s [01:02:00] not, again, it’s not a judgment. It’s more of a fact. Everybody has to face, like you said, we all have contribution we can make, and everybody has to face. Themselves and, and their, their beliefs and their behaviors. [01:02:12] And no one, no one else can do it for you on some level. So, so I’m so grateful that you have been here willing to share your story and your wisdom. And I’d love to ask, Oh, I love the bird in the background. That was great. Oh [01:02:30] yeah. I can hear it. That’s beautiful. Oh, beautiful. I I’m a huge fan of bird calls, even though I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t know how to differentiate too many of them, but I think they’re beautiful. [01:02:41] Jeanine Boubli: [01:02:41] So happy that you’re here and giving. This opportunity to me and to all your listeners. Oh, that’s, [01:02:48] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:02:48] that’s very sweet. [01:02:49] Thank you. My goodness. I love it. [01:02:54] Well, the birds going, I’ve got something to say here too. So sorry. So what’s next for [01:03:00] you and for red tail moon, [01:03:02] Jeanine Boubli: [01:03:02] what’s next for me is getting off my unit lot and reaching out to no, it’s true. It’s true. It’s been like it, sometimes things sometimes it’s easier to walk forward because there’s something that, and sometimes it’s uncomfortable not to walk forward and I’m at that place where it’s uncomfortable not to go ahead and give it everything that it’s got because it’s every, it does mean everything to me. [01:03:29] So I’m planning on yes, I will do it. Go ahead and send some pitches out to different media and. See how I can collaborate with Stella. Are you there Stella McCartney? We’re [01:03:45] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:03:45] calling [01:03:45] Jeanine Boubli: [01:03:45] you yes. Stella or somebody else like that. That might have the wisdom or things that know things that I don’t know in maybe the retail industry to get [01:04:00] it to where it really does. [01:04:04] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:04:04] yeah. [01:04:05] Jeanine Boubli: [01:04:05] Went into collaborations and anybody, anybody listening to this as any comments or suggestions or conversation? What, well, you know, wants to know why does so and credibly special about it? Spending quiet time with sheep or not quiet time or anything. Yeah, I’m, I’m, I’m really open. I’m an open heart and but right [01:04:28] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:04:28] now, well, so, so they’re, they’re, they’re, you’re, you’re, you’re leading me beautifully down this particular path. [01:04:35] How can someone who is interested in finding out more about red tail moon find you? [01:04:40] Jeanine Boubli: [01:04:40] Oh, sure. So you can go to well, I’m on Instagram. I’m at red tail moon. So red Shalmar is spelled R E D T a L E M O O N T L like the moon. It is an honor of the red tail Hawk. But that’s a whole nother story, but red tail moon [01:05:00] on Instagram red tail moon is also on Facebook. [01:05:03] I do not do a lot of things with Facebook, but I guess I probably, well and also red tailMoon@gmail.com. And my website, which is www.red tail T a L EMR. And then you get to see the different designs that we spoke about and you know, some pictures of the journey so far and clubhouse I’m at Janine bublé. [01:05:32] So that’s at you know, the at symbol, Jenny, J E a N I N E B, like boy, O U B, like boy L I, and there are, there has been some interesting conversations, great conversations on clubhouse. So connect with me anyway. Any, any way anywhere I would love to hear from you. [01:05:50] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:05:50] And I’m going to have to find you in clubhouse too. [01:05:52] So because I don’t want to connect connected on there yet. Yeah. And, and the thing about this, I’m going to put all of these on the show notes, but I find that it’s also [01:06:00] really good if you say it because people learn different in different ways. So you’ll be able to find these links on the show notes, and you’ll be able to also, if you heard them and you want to write them down, find Janine, obviously she’s doing amazing, incredible, inspiring, and gorgeous all at the same time, work on, on behalf of the animals. [01:06:19] And I I’m so thrilled that you were on the show. [01:06:24] Jeanine Boubli: [01:06:24] Thank you so much for having me. [01:06:26] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:06:26] It’s my, my absolute honor and pleasure. I have one last question. And if you’ve listened to the episodes, you know what the question is? So I have one last question that I ask everybody who comes on the show, and it’s a silly question, but I find that it yields poignant answers. [01:06:40] And the question is this. If you had an airplane that could sky write anything for the whole world to see, what would you say. [01:06:49] Jeanine Boubli: [01:06:49] I would say, live from your heart and share that love with all living beads. [01:06:57] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:06:57] That’s succinct. I love it. [01:07:01] [01:07:00] Jeanine Boubli: [01:07:01] I love it. It encompasses everything right. [01:07:04] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:07:04] I think it does. I think it does. [01:07:06] And, and it’s so it’s such a, it’s again, it’s poignant. It’s a poignant reminder that we can, that every single one of us can do that at any time. That’s one thing. That’s one thing that I would love to sort of say right now actually, is that. You can change. You can change your mind. You can change your behavior. [01:07:27] Believe me, if you knew, how, how much of a hardcore carnivore I was, I wasn’t even an omnivore when I was a kid. And now I’m a hardcore vegan, you [01:07:36] Jeanine Boubli: [01:07:36] know? Yes, yes, yes. [01:07:38] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:07:38] You know, we can all, and, and this is not about judgment. I’m not going, you must do this, but I, but I am saying that if you decide that you want to look at any, anything in yourself, in your life, in your work and make changes, then the first step is becoming aware that you want to make changes, sort of knowing yourself. [01:07:59] And, [01:08:00] and for me, that has been the artist’s way from, by Julia Cameron writing my little morning pages since 1997 and also a meditation. Like I, I am such an advocate for finding even five minutes a day. Doesn’t have to be long to breathe. To, to center yourself and to breathe and to just be with your, with yourself. [01:08:23] So, and I know I love Janine that you said that you do that because I go, well, of course she does. Yes. That makes total sense. So, so I’m so grateful that you’re doing the work you’re doing on behalf of the animals. And thank you so much for being on the show. And thank you for last week’s episode was captain Paul Watson. [01:08:41] He would not have been on the show without you tagging me and saying, Oh my story, I have to get in touch with them. So thank you so much for doing that. Of [01:08:49] Jeanine Boubli: [01:08:49] course you got, you have the same heart. And also I want to thank Liao because if we L did not tag you in a post, she connected you and I. [01:09:00] [01:09:00] Yes, [01:09:01] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:09:01] she did. [01:09:02] That’s absolutely right. Yes. Yes. Yes. That’s so fantastic. I love it. I love these little relationships that are it’s. It’s like, it’s like a beautiful, it’s like a beautiful web. It really is. I love it. Love it. Yeah. [01:09:12] Jeanine Boubli: [01:09:12] And Gloria started it. So there we go. [01:09:16] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:09:16] So we’re doing all the sh this is the shout-out portion of the show. [01:09:19] This is a shout out. [01:09:22] Jeanine Boubli: [01:09:22] You have a shout out to the peeps [01:09:24] Izolda Trakhtenberg: [01:09:24] that’s right, right. Absolutely. Well, thank you again, Janine, this has been the innovative mindset podcast. I am Isolde Trachtenberg. If you’re enjoying the show, please do me a favor. Leave a review on the apple podcast website for the show. Let me know what you’re thinking. [01:09:40] I would love to hear from you about what you think, what you want the show to be, because in many ways, it’s about, it’s driven very much by the people who listen. So until next time I remind you to listen, learn, laugh, and love a whole lot. [01:10:02] [01:10:00] Thanks so much for joining me today. I really appreciate you being here, subscribe to the podcast, if you’re new, and if you like what you’re hearing, please review it and rate it and let other people know. And if you’d like to be a sponsor of the show, I’d love to meet you on patrion.com/innovative mindset. 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